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chet_manley
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Pleased to see this community is fairly active. I am hugely nostalgic for MLB Showdown and am interested in the mechanics of this game as well.

I collected Showdown for the 2000 and 2001 sets and still have my first edition 2000 Base Set and Pennant Run sets. I recently put together a "league" of eight teams so I can run simulations on slow days at work. 

Do you have any favorite cards or strategies from the set? Because I am not playing with other people [and doing everything on the clock], I am playing an augmented game without strategy cards. The statistics are a bit skewed, but in a 40 game season, the league FIP is 3.28 and the league ERA is 4.00. Where the statistics fall short are actually in SLG and teams are averaging .85 HR/G (versus a 1.3 HR/G rate this season!)

There are two teams significantly weaker than the others which I am rebuilding for next season in hopes of more parity. One of the best additions that the Clutch game adds to Showdown, in my opinion, is the ballpark factors. I have included a home ballpark "gimmick" that affects both teams when at a particular stadium. Additionally, I play NL-style rules [possibly explaining the lower power output] with each team having at least two eligible players at a given position (making the utility types like Enrique Wilson important roster decisions). My last custom rule is that a catcher cannot start more than three consecutive games. As a result, power cards like Ivan Rodriguez or Jason Kendall are bad investments and are not featured on any team. 

My favorite strategies in the 2000 meta included high-OB teams with maximized defensive numbers in front of ground-ball-oriented pitchers.

If anyone is interested in following the second season, I would be happy to regularly update this thread. In the meantime, I would love to hear other peoples' 2000 Showdown memories.

Cheers, c_m


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Montreal Wanderers 

Park Factor: Once per game, each manager can change a walk result to a strikeout or a strikeout result to a walk.

Points Batting Order Team Position Bats Spd. OB SO GB FB BB 1B 1B+ 2B 3B HR
410 Omar Vizquel Indians  SS+5 S A 10 - 1-2 3-5 6-9 10-16 17-18 19-20 - -
390 Andruw Jones Braves  CF+3 R A 10 1 2 3-4 5-9 10-13 14 15-16 17 18-20
450 Luis Gonzalez Diamondbacks  LF+2 L B 10 - 1-2 3-5 6-10 11-15 - 16-18 - 19-20
360 John Olerud2 Mariners  1B+1 L C 10 - 1-3 4 5-12 13-16 - 17-18 - 19-20
370 Jeff Cirillo Brewers  3B+3 R B 10 1 2-3 4-5 - 10-17 - 18-19 - 20
350 Edgardo Alfonzo Mets  2B+5 R B 9 - 1 2-5 6-10 11-16 - 17-18 - 19-20
150 Ben Davis Padres  C+9 S B 6 1-2 3 - 4-6 7-15 - 16-18 - 19-20
180 Lance Johnson Cubs  RF+2 (OF+2) L A 7 - 1-3 - 4-8 9-16 17-18 - 19-20 -
  Pitcher                            
Bench
20 Christian Guzman Twins  SS+0 S B 5 - 1-2 - 3 4-18 19-20 - - -
26 Alberto Castillo Cardinals  C+10 R C 7 1 2-4 - 5-8 9-19 - - - 20
16 Jeff Reboulet Orioles  2B+5,3B+3 R B 7 - 1-3 4-5 6-17 18-20 - - - -
18 Brian L. Hunter Mariners  LF/RF+2 L A 5 - 1-2 - 3 4-10 11-17 - 18-19 20
                               
  Pitcher Team Control Hand IP SO PU GB FB BB 1B 2B HR    
470 Chuck Finley Angels 5 L 6 1-5 6-7 8-12 13-15 16-17 18-19 20 -    
460 David Cone Yankees 5 R 6 1-5 6-7 8-11 12-15 16-17 18-19 20 -    
430 Sterling Hitchcock Padres 5 L 6 1-6 7-8 9-11 12-15 16 17-19 20 -    
170 Kyle Farnsworth Cubs 4 R 6 1-3 4-6 7-10 11-15 16 17-18 19 20    
230 Billy Wagner Astros 5 L 1 1-11 12-13 14-15 16-18 19 20 - -    
170 Alan Embree Giants 6 L 1 1-5 6 7-9 10-15 16-18 19-20 - -    
180 Jeff Zimmerman Rangers 4 R 1 1-5 6-7 8-12 13-18 19 20 - -    
150 Russ Springer Diamondbacks 5 R 1 1-5 6-7 8-9 10-16 17-18 19 20 -    

 

I named this stadium's park factor 'Fervent Crowd.' Though I live in DC and love the Nationals, I do think that MLB expansion back to Montreal is inevitable and would be a great addition to the game. The idea behind the park factor was that the noise might cause an umpire to second-guess himself.

This has always been one of my favorite teams. It has gone through various iterations throughout the years, sometimes with a stronger fourth starter. The bullpen is dominant with Billy Wagner and Jeff Zimmerman, and Alan Embree is the best left-handed non-closer. Rostering both Ben Davis and Alberto Castillo means that, while this team won't run too often, other teams will be held up on the base paths.

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Alexandria Robins

Park Factor: Batters over 450 points get +1 On Base at this park.

Points Batting Order Team Position Bats Spd. OB SO GB FB BB 1B 1B+ 2B 3B HR
340 Frank Thomas White Sox 1B+0 R B 10 - 1-2 3-5 6-11 12-17 - 18-19 - 20
550 Bobby Abreu Phillies RF+1 L A 10 1-2 3 - 4-9 10-14 15 16-17 18 19-20
470 Jeromy Burnitz Brewers LF+1 L B 10 1-3 - 4-5 6-13 14-15 - 16-17 - 18-20
330 Mike Cameron2 Mariners CF+2 R A 8 1-3 - 4 5-11 12 13-14 15-17 18 19-20
350 Cal Ripken Jr. Orioles 3B+3 R C 8 - 1-3 4 - 5-12 - 13-16 - 17-20
310 Tony Batista Blue Jays SS+3 R B 7 - - 1-4 5-6 7-12 - 13-15 - 16-20
250 Brent Mayne Giants C+6 L B 9 1-2 3 4 5-9 10-16 - 17-20 - -
270 Carlos Febles Royals 2B+3 R A 8 1-2 3-5 - 6-10 11-14 15-16 17-18 19 20
  Pitcher                            
Bench
80 Jose Vizcaino Dodgers 2B/SS+4 S B 6 - 1-3 - 4-6 7-20 - - - -
18 Chad Kreuter Royals C+7 S C 6 1 2 - 3-9 10-17 - 18-19 - 20
28 Darren Lewis Red Sox CF+3, OF+2 R A 7 - 1-4 5 6-10 11-17 18-19 - 20 -
34 Dave Magadan Padres 1B/3B+1 L C 9 1 2-3 4-5 6-12 13-19 - 20 - -
                               
  Pitcher Team Control Hand IP SO PU GB FB BB 1B 2B HR    
440 Bartolo Colon Indians 3 R 6 1-4 5-7 8-13 14-17 18 19 20 -    
360 Wilson Alvarez Devil Rays 3 L 6 1-4 5-6 7-12 13-16 17-18 19 20 -    
340 Vladimir Nunez Marlins 3 R 6 1-5 6-7 8-11 12-16 17-18 19 20 -    
10 Brian Bohanon Rockies 0 L 6 1-4 5-7 8-12 13-17 18 19 20 -    
200 Trevor Hoffman Padres 4 R 1 1-8 9 10-14 15-18 - 19 20 -    
350 Keith Foulke White Sox 4 R 2 1-7 8-10 11-13 14-18 - 19 20 -    
150 C.J. Nitkowski Tigers 4 L 1 1-4 5-7 8-12 13-16 17-19 20 - -    
120 Mike Stanton Yankees 5 L 1 1-5 6-8 9-11 12-15 - 16-19 20 -    

 

Definitely an offensive-minded team with one of the weaker pitching staffs. Brian Bohanon might be a dumpster fire out there, but Keith Foulke is one of the strongest bullpen options in the 2000 sets. Having major home run threats up and down the lineup helps and Bobby Abreu and Jeromy Burnitz are OB11 at home.


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Brooklyn Socialites

Park Factor: If the batter is left-handed (or switch against a right-handed pitcher), the highest non-home run on a batter's chart is a home run.

Points Batting Order Team Position Bats Spd. OB SO GB FB BB 1B 1B+ 2B 3B HR
400 Fernando Vina Cardinals 2B+4 L A 10 - 1-3 4 5-8 9-17 18 19-20 - -
340 Alex Ochoa Brewers LF+1 R B 10 - 1-3 4-5 6-11 12-16 17 18-19 - 20
500 Ryan Klesko2 Padres 1B+0 L B 10 1 2-3 4-5 6-9 10-15 - 16-17 - 18-20
510 Alex Rodriguez Mariners SS+5 R A 8 1 2 3-4 5-9 10-12 13 14 - 15-20
350 Steve Finley Diamondbacks RF+2 L B 7 - 1 2-3 4-7 8-10 11 12-13 14-15 16-20
240 Troy Glaus Angels 3B+1 R B 7 1-2 - 3-4 5-11 12-14 - 15-16 - 17-20
220 Jacque Jones Twins CF+2 L B 7 1 2-3 4 5 6-12 13 14-17 18 19-20
160 Einar Diaz Indians C+7 R B 7 - 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-16 17 18-19 - 20
  Pitcher                            
Bench
30 Sean Berry Brewers 1B+0 R C 5 - 1 2 3-5 6-17 - 18-19 - 20
28 Randy Winn Devil Rays OF+1 S A 6 1 2-3 - - 4-13 14-15 16-18 19-20 -
26 Enrique Wilson Indians 2B/3B/SS+1 S B 7 - 1-3 4-5 6-7 8-15 16 17-20 - -
16 Joe Girardi Cubs C+5 R B 5 - 1-2 - - 3-9 10 11-18 19 20
                               
  Pitcher Team Control Hand IP SO PU GB FB BB 1B 2B HR    
520 Kerry Wood Cubs 4 R 6 1-9 10-11 12-13 14-16 17-19 20 - -    
450 Tom Glavine Braves 4 L 7 1-3 4-6 7-12 13-15 16 17-20 - -    
340 Ron Villone Reds 3 L 6 1-4 5-8 9-12 13-16 17-18 19 20 -    
220 Ryan Dempster Marlins 4 R 6 1-5 6-7 8-11 12-14 15-17 18-19 20 -    
210 Mariano Rivera Yankees 4 R 1 1-4 5-7 8-14 15-18 19 20 - -    
170 John Johnstone Giants 6 R 1 1-5 6-7 8-10 11-16 17 18-19 20 -    
160 Steve Kline Expos 6 L 1 1-6 7 8-13 14-15 16-17 18-19 20 -    
110 Jesse Orosco Orioles 3 L 1 1-6 7 8-12 13-16 17-18 19 20 -    

 

I won't pretend that this park factor is not a play on the short porch at Yankee Stadium. That said, Ebbets Field also had a shorter right field line. 

Alex Rodriguez led the league in home runs and RBI in season one which surprised me a bit due to his OB8 (Mark McGwire was second and fewer than ten players had double digit dingers). His RBI lead was ten above second place, due in large part to the high OB guys in front of him. 

I always found Tom Glavine to be an interesting card in the 2000 set, but Kerry Wood gave mixed results with some high walk games. Ron Villone had an unprobably good season, and the bullpen has received a welcome upgrade in Steve Kline (over the ineffective Matt Whisenant).


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25/08/2017 5:16 pm  

Providence Revolutionaries

Park Factor: If a batter is right-handed (or switch against a left-handed pitcher) with Speed A or B, the highest single on a batter's chart results in a double.

Points Batting Order Team Position Bats Spd. OB SO GB FB BB 1B 1B+ 2B 3B HR
220 Bill Mueller Giants 3B+3 S B 9 - 1-3 4 5-11 12-19 - 20 - -
420 Todd Helton Rockies 1B+0 L B 9 - 1-2 3-4 5-8 9-14 - 15-16 17 18-20
560 Manny Ramirez Indians RF+1 R C 10 1-2 - 3 4-9 10-14 - 15-16 - 17-20
470 Reggie Sanders Padres LF+1 R A 9 1-2 3 4-5 6-10 11-13 14-15 16 17 18-20
260 Darren Bragg Cardinals CF+2 L B 9 1-3 4-5 - 6-12 13-18 - 19 - 20
210 Doug Mirabelli Giants C+8 R B 7 1 2 3 4-8 9-14 15 16-18 - 19-20
210 Edgar Renteria Cardinals SS+3 R A 7 - 1 2-3 4-7 8-13 14-16 17-19 - 20
240 Pokey Reese Reds 2B+5 R A 7 - 1-2 3-4 5 6-12 13-15 16-18 19 20
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Bench
100 Craig Wilson White Sox 3B+1 R B 6 - 1-2 3 4-7 8-18 - - - 19-20
20 Eli Marrero Cardinals C+8 R A 4 - 1-3 4-5 - 6 7-13 14-15 - 16-20
22 Pat Meares Pirates SS+2 R B 6 - 1 2 3 4-16 17 18-19 - 20
38 Joe McEwing Cardinals 2B+3, OF+1 R B 7 1 2-4 - 5-6 7-15 16 17-18 19 20
                               
  Pitcher Team Control Hand IP SO PU GB FB BB 1B 2B HR    
470 Mike Mussina Orioles 3 R 7 1-5 6-7 8-13 14-17 - 18-19 20 -    
450 Jose Rosado Royals 4 L 6 1-4 5-6 7-11 12-16 17 18-19 20 -    
330 Terry Mulholland Braves 4 L 6 1-3 4-5 6-12 13-15 - 16-19 20 -    
310 Steve Woodard Brewers 3 R 6 1-4 5-7 8-12 13-16 - 17-19 20 -    
190 Scott Williamson Reds 3 R 1 1-8 9 10-13 14-18 19-20 - - -    
180 Derek Lowe Red Sox 6 R 1 1-4 5-7 8-14 15-16 17 18-19 20 -    
180 Arthur Rhodes  Mariners 3 L 2 1-6 7 8-11 12-16 17-19 - - 20    
120 Buddy Groom Athletics 3 L 1 1-4 5-6 7-13 14-16 17 18-20 - -    

The Park Factor is clearly an ode to the Green Monster, but I wouldn't be against changing that to something new.

This team was the worst from the North Division in the last year, so it has been largely revamped. Only Manny Ramirez, Doug Mirabelli, Pokey Reese, and Derek Lowe remaining as holdovers. Bill Mueller isn't an ideal lead-off man (though is one of the best value cards in the 2000 set), but Todd Helton, Manny Ramirez, and Reggie Sanders will put runs on the board in a way this team was unable to in years past.

The team, based on the Boston Red Sox, featured Pedro Martinez and Curt Schilling (at 660 and 600 points, respectively) and to have any semblance of an offense, both had to go. Mike Mussina and Jose Rosado are clear drops from the aforementioned aces, but getting a fourth starter who isn't Control-0 is an upgrade in itself.

Anecdotally, Scott Williamson was a mess in the first season (on a different roster) and Derek Lowe an uncharacteristically-high number of runs for his chart. Eli Marrero is the only OB4 card in the game, but due to the rules about having to start the backup catcher every fourth game, the +8 arm is a boon and his Speed A comes in handy.


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25/08/2017 5:17 pm  

Those four teams comprised the Northern Division. The next four are the Southern Division.


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25/08/2017 5:22 pm  

New Orleans Swing

Park Factor: If there is a runner in scoring position, add one to the swing. If the bases are loaded, add an additional two to the swing.

Points Batting Order Team Position Bats Spd. OB SO GB FB BB 1B 1B+ 2B 3B HR
360 Barry Larkin Reds SS+5 R A 9 - 1-3 4 5-10 11-15 16-17 18-19 - 20
380 Randy Velarde Athletics 2B+4 R A 9 1 2-3 4 5-8 9-16 17 18 19 20
460 Scott Rolen Phillies 3B+3 R B 9 1-3 - 4-5 6-11 12-13 14 15-16 - 17-20
440 Kevin Young Pirates 1B+1 R A 9 1-2 - 3-4 5-9 10-13 14 15-17 18 19-20
350 David Justice Indians LF+2 L C 10 1-2 3-4 5 6-12 13-17 - 18 - 19-20
310 Chris Singleton White Sox CF+3 L A 7 - 1-2 3-4 - 5-11 12-13 14-16 17 18-20
140 Benito Santiago Cubs C+7 R B 6 1 2 3 4-6 7-15 - 16-17 - 18-20
- Pitcher - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
210 Tony Womack Diamondbacks RF+2 L A 7 - 1-2 3 4-6 7-12 13-17 18 19 20
Bench
50 Mike Caruso White Sox SS+3 L B 5 - 1-2 - - 3-17 18-19 - 20 -
22 Eddie Perez Braves C+6 R C 6 - 1-3 4-5 6 7-15 - 16-18 - 19-20
18 Manny Martinez Expos OF+1 R A 5 - 1 2 - 3-10 11-15 16 17-20 -
50 Frank Catalanotto Tigers 1B/2B/3B+1 L B 7 1 2 3-4 5-6 7-14 - 15-17 - 18-20
                               
  Pitcher Team Control Hand IP SO PU GB FB BB 1B 2B HR    
480 Tim Hudson Athletics 5 R 6 1-5 6-8 9-13 14-15 16-17 18-19 20 -    
490 David Wells Blue Jays 4 L 7 1-4 5-7 8-12 13-16 17 18-19 20 -    
420 John Lieber Cubs 5 R 6 1-6 7-8 9-12 13-15 - 16-19 20 -    
220 Pedro Astacio Rockies 4 R 7 1-5 6-7 8-11 12-15 16 17-18 19 20    
190 Armando Benitez Mets 3 R 1 1-12 13 14 15-18 19-20 - - -    
160 Terry Adams Dodgers 6 R 1 1-4 5-7 8-13 14-15 16-17 18-19 20 -    
150 Mike Venafro Rangers 4 L 1 1-3 4-5 6-14 15-16 17 18-20 - -    
100 John Franco Mets 3 L 1 1-6 7-10 11-14 15-16 17 18-19 20 -    

This roster plays a bit like a lesser version of the Montreal Wanderers. The team has more OB9 guys than the former, but also has a little more speed. Scott Rolen was always one of my favorite cards from the set, and I loved watching Web Gem after Web Gem on Sportscenter.

Tim Hudson plays a bit better than David Cone (of the Wanderers) and is a premier ground ball guy. David Wells also does his fair share and was possibly my league's most valuable pitcher. Pedro Astacio is a risky fourth starter, but you've seen his game four competition. This bullpen is not as strong as some of the others, but Mike Venafro can come in for an opportune double play roll, and Armando Benitez is a volatile save guy.


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25/08/2017 5:26 pm  

Nashville Gibsons

Park Factor: If a batter with speed A hits a triple, perform an outfield check. If it fails, credit the batter with a home run.

Points Batting Order Team Position Bats Spd. OB SO GB FB BB 1B 1B+ 2B 3B HR
360 Johnny Damon Royals RF+1 L A 9 - 1-3 4-5 6-9 10-14 15-16 17-18 19 20
390 Doug Glanville Phillies CF+2 R A 9 1 2-4 5 6-7 8-14 15-16 17-18 19 20
460 Jason Giambi Athletics 1B+0 L C 10 1 2 3-4 5-10 11-15 - 16-17 - 18-20
380 Jim Edmonds Cardinals LF+2 L B 9 1-2 3 4 5-8 9-15 - 16-18 - 19-20
350 Corey Koskie Twins 3B+2 L B 9 1-2 3 4 5-8 9-16 - 17-18 - 19-20
240 Brad Ausmus Tigers C+7 R B 8 - 1-2 3 4-9 10-15 16 17-18 19 20
300 Kevin Stocker Devil Rays SS+4 S A 9 1 2-3 4-5 6-9 10-18 19 20 - -
- Pitcher                            
120 Keith Lockhart Braves 2B+4 L B 7 - 1-2 3-4 5-9 10-18 19 - 20 -
Bench
40 Gary Disarcina Angels SS+4 R B 5 - 1 2 3 4-20 - - - -
34 Michael Barrett Expos C+4, 3B+0 R C 7 - 1-2 3 4-5 6-14 - 15-18 19 20
34 Tom Goodwin Rangers CF+2, OF+1 L A 7 - 1-3 4 5-8 9-14 15-18 - 19-20 -
22 Mickey Morandini Cubs 2B+3 L B 7 - 1-3 4-5 6-10 11-17 18 19 20 -
                               
  Pitcher Team Control Hand IP SO PU GB FB BB 1B 2B HR    
470 Mike Hampton Astros 3 L 7 1-5 6-7 8-14 15-16 17-18 19-20 - -    
470 Shane Reynolds Astros 3 R 7 1-6 7-8 9-14 15-17 - 18-19 20 -    
370 Sidney Ponson Orioles 3 R 7 1-3 4-6 7-11 12-16 17 18-19 20 -    
330 Kirk Reuter Giants 4 L 6 1-3 4-6 6-10 11-15 16 17-19 20 -    
180 Bob Howry White Sox 5 R 1 1-6 7-8 9-11 12-15 16-18 19-20 - -    
170 Mike Remlinger Braves 6 R 1 1-6 7-8 9-12 13-15 16-17 18-20 - -    
150 Rheal Cormier Red Sox 6 L 1 1-3 4-6 7-12 13-15 16 17-19 20 -    
130 Jason Christiansen Pirates 3 L 1 1-6 7-8 9-14 15-17 18-19 - 20 -    

I always imagined this ballpark to have a cavernous outfield like in San Francisco. There are only two players who can take advantage of the ballpark factor on the roster, but that extra boost can pile some runs on the board early. This roster only has one OB10 bat in Jason Giambi, who was a super cool guy when I met him in 2000. He wore a cap that said 'Drive it like you stole it.' What a boss.

The pitching staff is a bit fluky with a bunch of control 3 guys starting. Three of them can give you seven innings before becoming tired, which can be crucial depending on the match-up. Bob Howry was always one of my favorite non-elite closers, but he was a total dumpster fire in season one, with a WHIP approaching 2 and multiple blown saves. We'll see how he performs in season two.


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25/08/2017 5:29 pm  

Charlotte Monarchs

Park Factor: If a pitcher strikes out the side, he gets +1 IP.

Points Batting Order Team Position Bats Spd. OB SO GB FB BB 1B 1B+ 2B 3B HR
370 Ray Durham White Sox 2B+2 S A 9 1 2-4 5 6-9 10-15 16-17 18 19 20
290 Dave Hansen Dodgers 3B+0 L C 10 1-2 3 4-5 6-14 15-17 - 18-19 - 20
570 Mark McGwire Cardinals 1B+0 R C 10 1-2 - 3-5 6-13 14 - 15 - 16-20
540 Shawn Green Blue Jays LF+1 L A 9 1 2-3 4 5-8 9-12 13 14-16 - 17-20
260 Paul O'Neill Yankees RF+1 L B 8 - 1-3 4 5-8 9-14 15 16-18 - 19-20
260 Todd Hollandsworth Dodgers CF+2 L B 7 1-2 3 - 4-5 6-13 14 15-16 17 18-20
170 Tony Eusebio Astros C+7 R C 8 1-2 3-5 - 6-9 10-18 - 19 - 20
160 Tim Bogar Astros SS+5 R B 7 - 1-3 4-5 6-10 11-16 - 17-18 19 20
- Pitcher                            
Bench
50 Willie McGee Cardinals OF+0 S B 6 1-2 3-5 - - 6-18 19-20 - - -
22 Mike Benjamin Pirates SS+5 R A 5 1 - 2 - 3-8 9-11 12-17 18-20 -
32 Aaron Ledesma Rockies 2B/SS+3, 3B+1 R B 7 - 1-2 3 - 4-18 - 19-20 - -
36 Jeff Reed Cubs C+4 L C 9 1-2 3-4 5 6-12 13-17 - 18-19 20 -
                               
  Pitcher Team Control Hand IP SO PU GB FB BB 1B 2B HR    
630 Randy Johnson Diamondbacks 3 L 8 1-10 11-12 13-15 16-18 19 20 - -    
380 Aaron Sele2 Mariners 3 R 7 1-6 7-8 9-13 14-16 17 18-19 20 -    
350 Octavio Dotel Astros 3 R 6 1-7 8 9-11 12-16 17-19 - 20 -    
330 Hideo Nomo Brewers 3 R 6 1-6 7-8 9-11 12-16 17-18 19 20 -    
200 Ugueth Urbina Expos 6 R 1 1-8 9-10 11-12 13-15 16-17 18-20 - -    
130 Steve Reed Indians 5 R 1 1-4 5-6 7-11 12-15 16 17-19 20 -    
80 Matt Whisenant Padres 4 L 1 1-4 5-6 7-12 13-14 15-17 18-19 20 -    
140 Greg Swindell Diamondbacks 3 L 1 1-5 6-7 8-11 12-17 18 19-20 - -    

Named after the famed Negro Leagues team, this roster is all about those Ks. The strikeouts can pile up, but the pitching trades a bit of control. That said, Mark McGwire and Shawn Green can put up runs. Dave Hansen was always an interesting card to me, and his season one line of .193/.350/.289 isn't what you normally expect from your 2-hole guy.

Ugueth Urbina is a champ.


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Jacksonville Bandits

Park Factor: If a batter has Speed A, the highest ground ball on a pitcher's chart is a single. If a batter has Speed C, the lowest single on a batter's chart is a ground ball out.

Points Batting Order Team Position Bats Spd. OB SO GB FB BB 1B 1B+ 2B 3B HR
400 Roger Cedeno Mets LF+1 S A 10 1-3 4-5 - 6-10 11-14 15-18 19 20 -
350 Craig Biggio Astros 2B+3 R A 9 1 2-4 5 6-10 11-15 16 17-19 - 20
410 Carlos Delgado Blue Jays 1B+0 L C 9 1-2 - 3-5 6-11 12-14 - 15-16 - 17-20
370 Robin Ventura Mets 3B+3 L C 9 1 2 3-5 6-9 10-15 - 16-17 - 18-20
370 Javy Lopez Braves C+6 R B 8 1 2-3 4 5-6 7-14 - 15-16 - 17-20
340 Rondell White Expos CF+2 R B 8 - 1-3 4 5-6 7-14 15 16 17 18-20
240 Ricky Ledee Yankees RF+1 L B 7 1-2 - 3 4-7 8-13 14 15-16 17 18-20
150 Rey Sanchez Royals SS+5 R B 7 - 1-4 - - 5-17 18 19 20 -
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Bench
70 Ryan Christenson Athletics OF+1 R B 6 1 2 3-4 5-13 14-17 18 19 - 20
30 Kevin Jordan Phillies 2B+2, 3B+1 R C 7 - 1-2 3 4-6 7-17 - 18 19 20
18 Rey Ordonez Mets SS+5 R B 6 - 1-2 3 4 5-17 18 19-20 - -
22 Sandy Alomar, Jr. Indians C+5 R C 6 - 1-3 4 - 5-13 - 14-18 - 19-20
                               
  Pitcher Team Control Hand IP SO PU GB FB BB 1B 2B HR    
480 Greg Maddux Braves 5 R 7 1-4 5-7 8-13 14-15 - 16-19 20 -    
450 Pete Harnisch Reds 4 R 6 1-4 5-6 7-11 12-16 17 18-19 20 -    
380 Darren Oliver Cardinals 4 L 7 1-3 4-5 6-11 12-15 16 17-19 20 -    
200 Chan Ho Park Dodgers 4 R 6 1-5 6-8 9-11 12-14 15-17 18-19 20 -    
180 Roberto Hernandez Devil Rays 5 R 1 1-5 6-7 8-12 13-15 16-17 18-20 - -    
270 Ramiro Mendoza Yankees 4 R 2 1-4 5-7 8-13 14-16 - 17-19 20 -    
140 Pedro Borbon Dodgers 5 L 1 1-3 4-5 6-9 10-15 16-18 19 20 -    
130 Dennys Reyes Reds 3 L 1 1-7 8-9 10-14 15-16 17-19 20 - -    

 

In season one, this team was the San Juan Stars and finished with just eight wins. So new city and a new roster has this team ready to compete.

This roster of Gator McCluskeys is looking to put up some runs. There is some inherent risk in the middle of the lineup, and Javy Lopez has to sit every fourth game (see league rules up top). This deck has a few cards that I just wanted to make a roster, like Rondell White and Ramiro Mendoza.

Darren Oliver and Chan Ho Park both ended the first season with WHIPs over 2.00, but I don't expect that to happen again (at least in the former's case). This team does not have a ton of speed after the first two in the order, which means that its park can work against it. I imagined this one to be a retractable roof stadium with field turf.


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Thanks for reading, if you did. If you are curious about the happenings in this league, I post periodically. Share your favorite 2000 Showdown cards and memories, and maybe season three will offer an expansion!


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05/09/2017 10:04 pm  

I played casually with my brother in 2000/2001. Then in 02 I won a Regional championship in both MLB and NFL Showdown.  I got to go to Kansas City for Nationals which was neat (even though I did terrible and they lost our tickets to the Negro League Museum which still upsets me because I've never been).  

My brother and I also went to a few other MLB Showdown events -- Nationals in Cleveland one year, the major Gen Con tournament another year, a "Mega Regional" at Pastimes in Chicago (I think they phased out Natls) and an event near Atlanta that I forget what its title was.  This was all from 03-05.  I think our best finish in any of those events was when my brother went to the finals at Gen Con.  He lost to a guy with a highly suspicious dice tower who we've always believed was cheating.  You have to remember, some years they handed out spindown dice as the official tournament dice -- and its widely known you can manipulate those dice in your favor.

Despite all of our personal success coming later, we tended to favor the 00/01 design more than the higher OB/worse charts of later seasons.  Of course Clutch seems to skew toward the latter but the charts are better -- but with significantly less home run numbers. Ignoring strategy card considerations I venture to say that Clutch Trout is CLEARLY better than every Showdown batter ever printed except 2003 Barry Bonds (OB 16, 3 outs, 17/19 power), who he is highly comparable to in terms of run production even though their charts are quite different. Trout was great last year, but Bonds was Babe Ruth 2.0 in that time period.

 Anyway I still remember pitching Maddux against Cone in the starters and arguing about whether Mike Bordick was any good or not (great glove, 7 OB) and debates like that.  The game really grabbed me from the start.

In more recent years we've gravitated to APBA, which I think is better for replays overall but I've always been on the "card game nerd" end of the spectrum compared to the "baseball purist/season replayer" (I was one of those jerks using Pep Talk to play 4 Go Up Hacking in the same inning).  My brother strikes a happier medium between the two I think.  

 

Sorry for the ramble, it seemed on topic as I typed it at least.  I also edited out a few meandering parts that drifted way away from the subject at hand.

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Posted by: acl7373
Sorry for the ramble, it seemed on topic as I typed it at least.  I also edited out a few meandering parts that drifted way away from the subject at hand.

There is no rambling. Nostalgia is one of the most fantastic aspects of the human experience.

For those interested in the league itself, there was some pre-league news...EXPANSION. I have expanded the league to ten teams, including the Rochester Red Wings and the Savannah Thunderbolts. Additionally, and this might annoy "purists," but I expanded the roster by one spot to add a fifth reliever and gave each roster 200 points. Whatever, the game has been dead for more than a decade and if every team is operating under the same set of conditions then it isn't that bad.

Technically, the league could max out at eleven teams with every team having two left-handed relief pitchers (leaving good-card-but-awful-human John Rocker "unemployed"). That means the Rochester Red Wings--named for the oldest minor league baseball team in history--features a dubious bullpen headlined by Eddie Guardado and the risky John Wasdin. The real impetus for expansion was the feeling of missing out on how cards like Pedro Martinez, Jeff Bagwell, Brian Giles, and others perform in this vacuum.

Thanks for responding. I probably won't update every team roster here, but maybe at the end of the season I will attach the spreadsheet for those interested. If two people look, great. It would probably get the same readership on Fangraphs anyways.


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06/09/2017 9:55 am  

All of our replay attempts fizzle because we end up making them too sprawling.  The only time we ever got really intensive play was when preparing for a tournament honestly.  But then, even at Nationals one year we built our teams while they were collecting the decklist sheets.

I don't remember the 2000 players well enough to evaluate your rosters, but one thing is that I REALLY liked the look of the 00/01 cards better as well. 

 

 


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06/09/2017 10:01 am  

Re: Mike Bordick, with a budget of 200 points, you could do a lot worse than Bordick. Personally, I would trade the thirty points and run Tim Bogar out there (1-5 out, 6-10 walk vs. 1-3 out, 4-7 walk) as the OBP trade-off might be worth the upgrade elsewhere. Both feature a +5 shortstop glove and as speed B, OB 7 short stops, they are pretty similar.

There are quite a few +5 short stops in the bargain bin, including Rey Sanchez (150 points, 19 double, 20 triple), Neifi Perez (180 points, switch hitting, and the 1999 MLB triples leader!), Deivi Cruz (140 points, OB 6, Speed C), Orlando Cabrera (150 points, OB 6, 1-5 out but more power), and Mike Benjamin (110 points, OB 5, Speed A, no HR). Jeff Huson is 160 points and trades power and a point of defense for speed A, second base eligibility, and left-handedness.

The average shortstop in 2000 is just 208 points and that includes Alex Rodriguez (510!), Derek Jeter (490), Nomar Garciaparra (470), and Omar Vizquel (410). There is a lot of value at the position and very little reason to make it a centerpiece of a roster. The average OB is 7, Speed B, and defense 2.875. Basically, a slower Edgar Renteria.

My opinion is that the top values at shortstop are as follows:

1. Tim Bogar (160 points)

2. Kevin Stocker (300 points)

3. Rey Sanchez (150 points)

4. Jose Vizcaino (80 points)

5. Ricky Gutierrez (150 points)

Of course, this might take a statistical dive that I don't have time for right now.


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